Re: Thoughts on Last Crusade

Posted by Michaelson from 150.182.1.47 on March 08, 2000 at 18:18:24:

In Reply to: Thoughts on Last Crusade posted by Indiana Bast***d Jones on March 08, 2000 at 18:07:06:

: After watching Last Crusade yesterday for the first time in ages it made me wonder why no one had found the grail in the 2000 years it had been missing (Other than the knights).

: Think about it. It's hidden in a canyon shapped like a crescent. I'm sure this isn't easy to miss or forget. Then in the canyon there is an extravagant building face. Not exactly well hidden.

: The three traps could basically be beaten by anyone with enough time and simple equipment. The saws are a simple mechanism, as shown when Indy prevents it from moving. How quickly is it reset after being triggered? Could you get through after triggering it or just push a large object into it to block it? How about a bit of TNT?

: Both the other traps are so simple to get over it's stupid. In fact a ladder would do the trick for both. Just lay it over the letters from one side to the other. The same could be done for the Leap test. If it was a true leap of faith, where there was nothing to step on then this would be a true test. But it gives the impression that there was always a bridge there camoflaged into the surroundings.

: Firstly, simply looking at it from a different angle would reveal the camoflage (this is shown by looking at it from underneath) and it cannot be a true leap of faith because both Elsa and Donovan get into the grail room. Two people who don't even believe in the grail, so would never make the leap of faith.

: It's still a bloody good film though!

I'd only comment on your last observations regarding the "leap of faith" paragraph...first of all regarding the seeing the crossing from a different angle, bear in mind the viewer didn't have that luxury. Sure we could see it from underneath, but the "trap" wasn't designed for anyone to be able to view it from the side or underneath the bridge. How did the other two get into the final cave? Remember, Indy tossed gravel onto the bridge. ANYONE then could see the bridge. Who needed the "leap of faith" after that? As to the rest of your comments, one can only ponder those questions, as the mechanism would have been an interesting one indeed. Based on the time period it had to be created, the only way it could have worked was a pendulum clock work type action, using counterweights to pull the blades outward and upward, but as you ask, how did it reset for the next victim? Well, it's only a movie magic. Regards. Michaelson

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: : After watching Last Crusade yesterday for the first time in ages it made me wonder why no one had found the grail in the 2000 years it had been missing (Other than the knights).

: : Think about it. It's hidden in a canyon shapped like a crescent. I'm sure this isn't easy to miss or forget. Then in the canyon there is an extravagant building face. Not exactly well hidden.

: : The three traps could basically be beaten by anyone with enough time and simple equipment. The saws are a simple mechanism, as shown when Indy prevents it from moving. How quickly is it reset after being triggered? Could you get through after triggering it or just push a large object into it to block it? How about a bit of TNT?

: : Both the other traps are so simple to get over it's stupid. In fact a ladder would do the trick for both. Just lay it over the letters from one side to the other. The same could be done for the Leap test. If it was a true leap of faith, where there was nothing to step on then this would be a true test. But it gives the impression that there was always a bridge there camoflaged into the surroundings.

: : Firstly, simply looking at it from a different angle would reveal the camoflage (this is shown by looking at it from underneath) and it cannot be a true leap of faith because both Elsa and Donovan get into the grail room. Two people who don't even believe in the grail, so would never make the leap of faith.

: : It's still a bloody good film though!

: I'd only comment on your last observations regarding the "leap of faith" paragraph...first of all regarding the seeing the crossing from a different angle, bear in mind the viewer didn't have that luxury. Sure we could see it from underneath, but the "trap" wasn't designed for anyone to be able to view it from the side or underneath the bridge. How did the other two get into the final cave? Remember, Indy tossed gravel onto the bridge. ANYONE then could see the bridge. Who needed the "leap of faith" after that? As to the rest of your comments, one can only ponder those questions, as the mechanism would have been an interesting one indeed. Based on the time period it had to be created, the only way it could have worked was a pendulum clock work type action, using counterweights to pull the blades outward and upward, but as you ask, how did it reset for the next victim? Well, it's only a movie magic. Regards. Michaelson

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