Re: WHY DOES INDIANA JONES GO AFTER THE ARTIFACT(S)? My thoughts.....

Posted by Andrea from ip-85.sb.net on July 09, 1998 at 19:40:51:

In Reply to: Re: WHY DOES INDIANA JONES GO AFTER THE ARTIFACT(S)? My thoughts..... posted by Michaelson on July 09, 1998 at 13:08:33:

: : This has been puzzling me for "I-don't-know-how-long" about Indiana Jone's purpose of going after the artifact(s). I know that the artifact(s) are priceless and that they're a part of history.

: : But what is his TRUE purpose?

: : Yeah, yeah I know he wants to place that thing in a "museum" - that all he claims. Why does he want to put a "sacred" item into a museum? Is it because of its purpose?

: : Doesn't the dictionary define "sacred" as ". . . of or penetrating to religious objects. . . made or declaired holy. . ."

: : No one today goes on an adventure after "holy" or "sacred" objects! If you put it in a museum for all to see, then someone's liable to steal it, only keeping it for their own pleasure. I mean, wouldn't you go to a museum to steal the "Holy Grail" for yourself? Hell ya! I know I would! If something "holy" or "sacred" were to ge placed inside a museum, chaos and riots would break out between the Chruch and the State.

: : Morals?

: : Did Indiana Jones ever found out what his morals were?

: : Call me "old-timer", but referring to the third sequel ("Indiana Jones and the Last Crusades") - wasn't there a moral being made? Indiana didn't see it, though. I know tht I have. I have realized that Indiana Jones had completely missed his purpose and morals of that adventure.

: : Yeah, he wanted to get the "Holy Grail" and place it in a museum. Once he found it, he fell in love. He totally forgot his reason of getting it. Then everyone starting dying from the "Holy Grail", instead of living. How could something that is suppose to save you, kill you? Easy - it did. It went into the inner soul, pulling out the Greed and Obsession that is inside. Greed is what killed them all, and almost killed Indiana. Greed is an obsession; something that can take over and control the mind and body. Once Elsa fell to her death (because of her own greed and obsession), Indiana became her new replacement. He too, was overtaken by greed and obsession over the "Holy Grail". He didn't care about his life that was at stake; all he cared about was that goblet. He didn't realize what had happened until his father spoken. Even afterwards, Indiana still didn't figure out that to live and love is far more important than a goblet that can save your life.

: : I would rather live and be with the ones that I love, than to do out risking my life on a goblet tha can save it; wouldn't you?

: I think maybe you also mean what were his ethics regarding what he was doing in terms of archeology. Remember, though, we must keep in mind that we are dealing with 1930's ethics, and his pursuing of the artifacts, regardless of what they were, anything was ethical in terms of acquiring the object. In one of our classes we teach here, it is titled Law and Ethics for Engineering Managers. The bottom line concerning ethical handling of things are, and this is stated in course work, WHO'S ethics are you talking about? Morals are more deep seated in terms of how an individual's personal beliefs enter their "ethical" treatment of some process they are currently involved in. Greed and obsession are definately ingredients in this stew. Morals and ethics are definately dictated by the events at the time, and Indy was guided by his own personal morals, but his time periods ethics. Hope this hasn't rambled to much. Regards. Michaelson

Interesting thoughts on greed. I'm wondering if LC will be looked on later as an alegory to the end of the 80's flashy greed phenomenon. Perhaps this was something in the back of the minds of Lucas and Jeffrey Boam. They may have considered how to usher in the 90's by metaphorically condoning the 80's greed (ironically, Lucas is immensely responsible for the good of the fx revolution but also its dispicable waste [as evidenced by Armegedon]. Well, the critical studies folk can go in circles on this one.

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: : : This has been puzzling me for "I-don't-know-how-long" about Indiana Jone's purpose of going after the artifact(s). I know that the artifact(s) are priceless and that they're a part of history.

: : : But what is his TRUE purpose?

: : : Yeah, yeah I know he wants to place that thing in a "museum" - that all he claims. Why does he want to put a "sacred" item into a museum? Is it because of its purpose?

: : : Doesn't the dictionary define "sacred" as ". . . of or penetrating to religious objects. . . made or declaired holy. . ."

: : : No one today goes on an adventure after "holy" or "sacred" objects! If you put it in a museum for all to see, then someone's liable to steal it, only keeping it for their own pleasure. I mean, wouldn't you go to a museum to steal the "Holy Grail" for yourself? Hell ya! I know I would! If something "holy" or "sacred" were to ge placed inside a museum, chaos and riots would break out between the Chruch and the State.

: : : Morals?

: : : Did Indiana Jones ever found out what his morals were?

: : : Call me "old-timer", but referring to the third sequel ("Indiana Jones and the Last Crusades") - wasn't there a moral being made? Indiana didn't see it, though. I know tht I have. I have realized that Indiana Jones had completely missed his purpose and morals of that adventure.

: : : Yeah, he wanted to get the "Holy Grail" and place it in a museum. Once he found it, he fell in love. He totally forgot his reason of getting it. Then everyone starting dying from the "Holy Grail", instead of living. How could something that is suppose to save you, kill you? Easy - it did. It went into the inner soul, pulling out the Greed and Obsession that is inside. Greed is what killed them all, and almost killed Indiana. Greed is an obsession; something that can take over and control the mind and body. Once Elsa fell to her death (because of her own greed and obsession), Indiana became her new replacement. He too, was overtaken by greed and obsession over the "Holy Grail". He didn't care about his life that was at stake; all he cared about was that goblet. He didn't realize what had happened until his father spoken. Even afterwards, Indiana still didn't figure out that to live and love is far more important than a goblet that can save your life.

: : : I would rather live and be with the ones that I love, than to do out risking my life on a goblet tha can save it; wouldn't you?

: : I think maybe you also mean what were his ethics regarding what he was doing in terms of archeology. Remember, though, we must keep in mind that we are dealing with 1930's ethics, and his pursuing of the artifacts, regardless of what they were, anything was ethical in terms of acquiring the object. In one of our classes we teach here, it is titled Law and Ethics for Engineering Managers. The bottom line concerning ethical handling of things are, and this is stated in course work, WHO'S ethics are you talking about? Morals are more deep seated in terms of how an individual's personal beliefs enter their "ethical" treatment of some process they are currently involved in. Greed and obsession are definately ingredients in this stew. Morals and ethics are definately dictated by the events at the time, and Indy was guided by his own personal morals, but his time periods ethics. Hope this hasn't rambled to much. Regards. Michaelson

: Interesting thoughts on greed. I'm wondering if LC will be looked on later as an alegory to the end of the 80's flashy greed phenomenon. Perhaps this was something in the back of the minds of Lucas and Jeffrey Boam. They may have considered how to usher in the 90's by metaphorically condoning the 80's greed (ironically, Lucas is immensely responsible for the good of the fx revolution but also its dispicable waste [as evidenced by Armegedon]. Well, the critical studies folk can go in circles on this one.

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