All points valid, and addressed before...

Posted by Patterson from 63.104.29.91 on August 29, 2000 at 13:03:06:

In Reply to: Just my opinion posted by DeWayne on August 29, 2000 at 09:04:58:

I have certain beliefs about the origin of Wested's patterns, for which I do not feel comfortable sharing the details. That is for somebody else to do if they feel so inclined. Suffice it to say that I doubt the original patterns exist anywhere except possibly in the Lucasfilm archives.

The patterns we helped develop were based upon very detailed measurements taken from the original jacket I examined. The jacket came with the original property tags from Lucasfilms and Paramount, giving a clear audit trail from the time of production until the jacket was sold. The only document that could not be located was the actual sale receipt. I understand it has since been located and the jacket has been sold to a private collector where it will be restored.

I took notes, made drawings, and compared it to the Wested Raiders I had with me. While I am no pattern maker, the detailed information was given to somebody who is. They have taken that information and made a fully functional jacket, i.e. the details have been interpreted and executed so that the gussets actually function and are not just another piece of trim. The side straps function in a logical way. The arms break in the right spots. The collar sits right - just below the shirt collar.

Honestly, I'm pretty impressed. US Wings came back and said, "we just don't get these design details, and we cannot make a jacket that hangs right and functions". These other people have made a functional jacket.

Hey, even if Peter is correct and this was a stunt jacket - so what. Ford did his own stunts, so he likely wore a jacket with gussets, etc... Frankly, I take the feedback I get out of the UK with more then a grain of salt. If I had a nickel for every inconsistent statement I’ve been personally told while on international long distance… But, hey – I have an auditing background, so what do I know about looking for inconsistency?

As to the LC - I have to disagree with the observations on the collar stand. The Wested LC I have is correct with what I see on screen. Maybe that speaks to the consistency of the product that comes out of Wested more then it does to anything else?

Cheers!

Patterson

Follow Ups:

Re: ... DeWayne 09:32:08 8/30/2000 (4)
- I think we're in agreement, but I'm doing a lousy job of communicating it... Patterson 19:57:38 8/30/2000 (0)
- I think we're in agreement, but I'm doing a lousy job of communicating it... Patterson 19:31:21 8/30/2000 (2)
  - Re: I think we're in agreement, but I'm doing a lousy job of communicating it... DeWayne 08:10:26 8/31/2000 (0)
  - Also, on the LC, the "tucking into the handwarmer" is correct - on the ROTLA it is not...(nm) Patterson 19:58:53 8/30/2000 (0)
Re: All points valid, and addressed before... Satipo 18:57:05 8/29/2000 (0)
Patterson,did you get my e-mail of last friday??(nm) Kenneth. 15:39:11 8/29/2000 (2)
- No - I lost all email from Friday on (nm) Patterson 15:43:21 8/29/2000 (1)
  - O.k ill send you one now(nm) Ken. 15:45:27 8/29/2000 (0)
Stealing under restraints Thunder Stealer 13:44:18 8/29/2000 (4)
- "Swing, and a miss!" (nm) Patterson 13:51:44 8/29/2000 (3)
  - Mostly drizzle, chance of sun..... Thunder Stealer 13:59:12 8/29/2000 (2)
    - Interesting, but WAY off the mark... Patterson 14:25:27 8/29/2000 (1)
      - Understandable (nm) Me 14:41:58 8/29/2000 (0)

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: I have certain beliefs about the origin of Wested's patterns, for which I do not feel comfortable sharing the details.  That is for somebody else to do if they feel so inclined.  Suffice it to say that I doubt the original patterns exist anywhere except possibly in the Lucasfilm archives.

: The patterns we helped develop were based upon very detailed measurements taken from the original jacket I examined.  The jacket came with the original property tags from Lucasfilms and Paramount, giving a clear audit trail from the time of production until the jacket was sold.  The only document that could not be located was the actual sale receipt.  I understand it has since been located and the jacket has been sold to a private collector where it will be restored.

: I took notes, made drawings, and compared it to the Wested Raiders I had with me.  While I am no pattern maker, the detailed information was given to somebody who is.  They have taken that information and made a fully functional jacket, i.e. the details have been interpreted and executed so that the gussets actually function and are not just another piece of trim.  The side straps function in a logical way.  The arms break in the right spots.  The collar sits right - just below the shirt collar.

: Honestly, I'm pretty impressed.  US Wings came back and said, "we just don't get these design details, and we cannot make a jacket that hangs right and functions".  These other people have made a functional jacket.

: Hey, even if Peter is correct and this was a stunt jacket - so what.  Ford did his own stunts, so he likely wore a jacket with gussets, etc...  Frankly, I take the feedback I get out of the UK with more then a grain of salt.  If I had a nickel for every inconsistent statement I’ve been personally told while on international long distance…  But, hey – I have an auditing background, so what do I know about looking for inconsistency?

: As to the LC - I have to disagree with the observations on the collar stand.  The Wested LC I have is correct with what I see on screen.  Maybe that speaks to the consistency of the product that comes out of Wested more then it does to anything else?

: Cheers!

: Patterson

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