Re: "follow you home in a quiet car".....

Posted by Patterson from ? (66.123.147.146) on Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 5:25pm :

In Reply to: "follow you home in a quiet car"..... posted by Jimmie from evrtwa1-ar8-4-65-018-194.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net (4.65.18.194) on Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 2:14pm :

: heeheehee I agree with that, although when I said it was dark,I meant in relation to the other two Indy films.

: The Empire Strikes Back is dark...but not dark like Strange Days, which in turn isn't dark in the same way as Gates of Hell (ugh, that movie)...etc, etc...

: I allow my children to watch "Dr Jones", as they call it, but not ToD.
: They are 7 and 2. My older girl likes Raiders, for the adventure, she says, while my younger likes LC...she giggles most of the way through ( as an aside, she always shouts "Get the cup Indy" when he's reaching for the grail in the crack in the temple ). But due to the obvious, I will not allow them to see ToD. When I explained to my older girl why, she wrinkled her nose and said "probably a good idea."...hehe...

: What I mean by all this is that, as I said above, ToD is far too "Dark" compared to the other two films...child beatings, torture, slavery, mind-control (My older has a friend who has convinced her that she can hypnotize people, and it sort of freaks her out :) ), the nasty bit with the heart...you get the idea...

: I don't know how many of you are parents, or how many who *are* DISCUSS these things with their children before allowing them to watch (or not watch, as the case may be), but I now hold EVERYTHING up to the yardstick of "Would I allow the kids to see this?"...most are obvious, some take some real consideration. I mean, there are some DISNEY films SO DARK that I'd let the kids watch ToD before I'd let them see those!!

: Anyway, enough rambling. Those were great points, Patterson, but I think a bit narrow, yeah?

: Later folks,

: Jimmie

Well, I don’t equate violence or gore with dark – but I think this is a question of semantics. Violence and gore by themselves are superficial – darkness goes deeper. You don’t need violence and gore to elicit darkness, and to me I am more worried about prematurely exposing my kids to the psychological impact of that kind of film. I'd have trouble seeing anything related to Indy as dark just because of the genre – the general bucket that I put it in. To me it is like the violence in a Warner Brothers cartoon. Seeing Sylvester cut in two by a saw is not quite the same as watching the bathtub scene in Scarface - IMHO.

I guess my point is that, as I see it, darkness is different from violence or gore. To me the most effective use of darkness is drawing the viewer in. You feel like you are the only one in the theater, and at times you even forget there IS a theater. Then they sucker-punch you psychologically – you forget it is not real. This kind of movie-going experience I would liken more to reading a book – a very personal experience. Alfred Hitchcock was GREAT at doing this! M. Night Shyamalan sure shows the skill as well.

I enjoy Indy, Star Wars, etc. But in so many ways they are predictable entertainment - formula driven twists and turns. For the most part I think these formula plot stories are the best thing for kids to watch - barring the gore you identify above. Kids need to see the good guys win – eventually. You always know the Nazi will get it in the last act, and Indy will kiss the girl or ride into the sunset with Dad! In my working definition, Indy could never be dark. Just my opinion.

BTW – Great string!

Indy Gear

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Y'know, I see what you mean.... - Jimmie 2:56am 08/30/2002

Re: Y'know, I see what you mean.... - Patterson 12:59pm 08/30/2002

See, and that's cool, 'cause... - Jimmie 4:41pm 08/30/2002

Certainly is a great string! - Brett Maverick Lambert 4:02am 08/30/2002

Re: Certainly is a great string! - Patterson 1:01pm 08/30/2002

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: : heeheehee I agree with that, although when I said it was dark,I meant in relation to the other two Indy films. : : The Empire Strikes Back is dark...but not dark like Strange Days, which in turn isn't dark in the same way as Gates of Hell (ugh, that movie)...etc, etc... : : I allow my children to watch "Dr Jones", as they call it, but not ToD. : : They are 7 and 2. My older girl likes Raiders, for the adventure, she says, while my younger likes LC...she giggles most of the way through ( as an aside, she always shouts "Get the cup Indy" when he's reaching for the grail in the crack in the temple ). But due to the obvious, I will not allow them to see ToD. When I explained to my older girl why, she wrinkled her nose and said "probably a good idea."...hehe... : : What I mean by all this is that, as I said above, ToD is far too "Dark" compared to the other two films...child beatings, torture, slavery, mind-control (My older has a friend who has convinced her that she can hypnotize people, and it sort of freaks her out :) ), the nasty bit with the heart...you get the idea... : : I don't know how many of you are parents, or how many who *are* DISCUSS these things with their children before allowing them to watch (or not watch, as the case may be), but I now hold EVERYTHING up to the yardstick of "Would I allow the kids to see this?"...most are obvious, some take some real consideration. I mean, there are some DISNEY films SO DARK that I'd let the kids watch ToD before I'd let them see those!! : : Anyway, enough rambling. Those were great points, Patterson, but I think a bit narrow, yeah? : : Later folks, : : Jimmie : Well, I don’t equate violence or gore with dark – but I think this is a question of semantics. Violence and gore by themselves are superficial – darkness goes deeper. You don’t need violence and gore to elicit darkness, and to me I am more worried about prematurely exposing my kids to the psychological impact of that kind of film. I'd have trouble seeing anything related to Indy as dark just because of the genre – the general bucket that I put it in. To me it is like the violence in a Warner Brothers cartoon. Seeing Sylvester cut in two by a saw is not quite the same as watching the bathtub scene in Scarface - IMHO. : I guess my point is that, as I see it, darkness is different from violence or gore. To me the most effective use of darkness is drawing the viewer in. You feel like you are the only one in the theater, and at times you even forget there IS a theater. Then they sucker-punch you psychologically – you forget it is not real. This kind of movie-going experience I would liken more to reading a book – a very personal experience. Alfred Hitchcock was GREAT at doing this! M. Night Shyamalan sure shows the skill as well. : I enjoy Indy, Star Wars, etc. But in so many ways they are predictable entertainment - formula driven twists and turns. For the most part I think these formula plot stories are the best thing for kids to watch - barring the gore you identify above. Kids need to see the good guys win – eventually. You always know the Nazi will get it in the last act, and Indy will kiss the girl or ride into the sunset with Dad! In my working definition, Indy could never be dark. Just my opinion. : BTW – Great string!

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