Wested, Flight Suits and all the crap I'm sick of; an essay part II

Posted by Shawnkara from spider-wn044.proxy.aol.com on March 08, 2001 at 03:30:36:

Ok, I re-read the string that got Patterson going. I can understand Austin and Dwayne being a LITTLE peaved at their research being so easily dismissed. I'll have to side with Austin on ONE thing; it was always clear to me that the straps were attached to the face of the rear panel, not under. And Dwayne is right in being upset at the barrage of attacks on Peter with the early advent of Flight Suits; I felt the same way. Thing is, guys, we've ALL studied the movie for YEARS and drawn our own conclusions. Patterson's conclusions came from FIRST HAND EXAMINATION OF AN ORIGINAL. Had his research been based on blurred motion and quick shots on television he probably would have been dismissed, as well. Discrepancies between FS and Patterson's original? It's known that this jacket was a stunt jacket. On a low budget film such as 'Raiders' I'm sure all of the prototypes were kept around and used for stunt sequences. At one time I recall Patterson saying that the rear sleeve seam in relation to the shoulder panel seam affected the way the pleats worked. The jacket he examined had matching seams. Maybe FS tried that and found this configuration did not work. Maybe this is why Patterson's jacket became a stunt jacket, in line with my theory. As far as Patterson keeping us in the dark? NEVER has he done this! The olny time he came close was in the beginning when he made the project known but was prohibited from revealing the potential manufacturer for legal reasons. The very DAY he was given the go-ahead he posted the FS info. As far as doubting Patterson as an "expert"? An expert is someone who has, through first hand examination and intense study, acquired a great deal of information on a given subject. He fits this bill, so what would you call him? I didn't take Dwayne's post as an attack on FS or Patterson's efforts where they're concerned, but as an attack on his credibility concerning the Keppler story. THAT... was unfounded and uncalled for. There's no disputing that Lee was the first to locate Peter and reveal Wested to us. Lee designed the Wested jacket? Hardly. He copied what Peter had designed, nothing more. At best, he refreshed Peter's memory. I'm not attacking Lee here, just giving the matter perspective. Lee has done us a great service, no doubt. Patterson never claimed that Lee "designed" the jacket, he only said that Peter had been supplied with Lee's prototype for consideration. Peter had patterns but no finished product to judge it against. You guys make it sound like Patterson flat out said that Lee Keppler designed Peter's jacket in an attempt to debunk Wested in favor of FS. Given his investment of time and personal resources into the FS project this theory might make sense; from a "mentally ill conspiracy freak" point of view. In closing, guys stating observations on a forum and dedicating a chunk of your life to acctually PROVING them AND creating a product based on them are two different things. That is why Patterson is our "expert". If you want to bitch about FS, fine. In the end, it's a product; Patterson's brainchild, but FS's product. No one will condemn you for criticizing a product. But to attack, insult and slander a man who has bent over backwards for all of us is wrong, no matter how you look at it. My additional two cents....

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Agreed Michaelson 09:05:34 3/08/2001 (2)
- I have to agree, too....very well said, my friend. Indydawg 11:55:03 3/08/2001 (0)
- Re: Agreed MK 11:09:45 3/08/2001 (0)

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: Ok, I re-read the string that got Patterson going. I can understand Austin and Dwayne being a LITTLE peaved at their research being so easily dismissed. I'll have to side with Austin on ONE thing; it was always clear to me that the straps were attached to the face of the rear panel, not under. And Dwayne is right in being upset at the barrage of attacks on Peter with the early advent of Flight Suits; I felt the same way. Thing is, guys, we've ALL studied the movie for YEARS and drawn our own conclusions. Patterson's conclusions came from FIRST HAND EXAMINATION OF AN ORIGINAL. Had his research been based on blurred motion and quick shots on television he probably would have been dismissed, as well. Discrepancies between FS and Patterson's original? It's known that this jacket was a stunt jacket. On a low budget film such as 'Raiders' I'm sure all of the prototypes were kept around and used for stunt sequences. At one time I recall Patterson saying that the rear sleeve seam in relation to the shoulder panel seam affected the way the pleats worked. The jacket he examined had matching seams. Maybe FS tried that and found this configuration did not work. Maybe this is why Patterson's jacket became a stunt jacket, in line with my theory. As far as Patterson keeping us in the dark? NEVER has he done this! The olny time he came close was in the beginning when he made the project known but was prohibited from revealing the potential manufacturer for legal reasons. The very DAY he was given the go-ahead he posted the FS info. As far as doubting Patterson as an "expert"? An expert is someone who has, through first hand examination and intense study, acquired a great deal of information on a given subject. He fits this bill, so what would you call him? I didn't take Dwayne's post as an attack on FS or Patterson's efforts where they're concerned, but as an attack on his credibility concerning the Keppler story. THAT... was unfounded and uncalled for. There's no disputing that Lee was the first to locate Peter and reveal Wested to us. Lee designed the Wested jacket? Hardly. He copied what Peter had designed, nothing more. At best, he refreshed Peter's memory. I'm not attacking Lee here, just giving the matter perspective. Lee has done us a great service, no doubt. Patterson never claimed that Lee "designed" the jacket, he only said that Peter had been supplied with Lee's prototype for consideration. Peter had patterns but no finished product to judge it against. You guys make it sound like Patterson flat out said that Lee Keppler designed Peter's jacket in an attempt to debunk Wested in favor of FS. Given his investment of time and personal resources into the FS project this theory might make sense; from a "mentally ill conspiracy freak" point of view. In closing, guys stating observations on a forum and dedicating a chunk of your life to acctually PROVING them AND creating a product based on them are two different things. That is why Patterson is our "expert". If you want to bitch about FS, fine. In the end, it's a product; Patterson's brainchild, but FS's product. No one will condemn you for criticizing a product. But to attack, insult and slander a man who has bent over backwards for all of us is wrong, no matter how you look at it. My additional two cents....

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